in america the past four years, he says this guy doesn't get it. he has no idea how to create a job. guess what? the ceos, they're all on his side. the very ceos who were offended by what the president did over the past four years, almost all of them are now going to the white house, going back to the hill, trying to figure out why republicans are not finishing this deal. and maybe the republicans will finish the deal. maybe -- but it's important for americans to understand where these ceos are. they need a deal to be done, and they don't need these political games being played at this late hour. >> there's no doubt, you're right, that the white house has done a ton of reaching out, something that you and others have suggested they should have done a lot earlier. that has not produced, though, the imperative that we not go over the cliff. there's such a willingness to go over the cliff by people on both sides. i think that's a real problem because you can only get a deal if there's a lot of pressure. this is the easy part, though. getting a deal between boehner and the president is the eas